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Old Russian: TOZ 18

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#1 ·
Got this one today, old TOZ18, very nice condition, barrel looks new, action still very stiff to operate:
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Now to find time to get it inspected and lubed and go to the range :D

Chris
 
#2 ·
Toz 18

Great looking rifle.
I especially like the scope and mount.
More pictures ... please.

How about some detailed images of the scope mount base.
And, of the detachable mount and scope rings.
I"ll bet some Ural owners would like some measurements of the scope base and mount.

Hope she shoots as good as she looks - aom22. :t
 
#5 ·
Purposeful Firearm

aka108 said:
... The Tula people seemed to be more concerned with accuracy than creating a masterpiece of finely machined art.
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Well said aka108.

To me, some contemporary, military, small arms have a certain functional beauty of their own.
Just as the M151 Truck, Utility: ¼-Ton, 4x4, commonly referred to as the military Jeep.
The M151 has its own unique appeal to some - such as myself.

awo425 ... you have a handsome work of industrial art.
I sure would like to to see some targets fired with this rifle.
 
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#6 ·
Thaks!

The scope&mount are simply a downscaled version of WW2 Mosin Nagant PU Sniper scope&mount. not sure about magnification, will check with a PU(3,5x) side by side.
I did a quick checkup, the scope base screws were lose, tightened them down with a drop of loctide to them. Did a quick zeroing with Z ammo, not to waste too much time on the range(possibly Sunday, if the Misses allows)
Also have to select a good working magazine, normaly they are numbered to the rifle, but this one came without mag and I just grabbed one from the parts box for the pictures.

Some more cleaning and lubing and teh bolt should work OK.
It was intended as a hunting carbine, not for target work anyway. TOZ 17 are very common here, as are TOZ8M.
They were used as club guns in eastern Germany for military training and competitions. This TOZ18 was proofed in Belgium, so it obviously did not serve in the GDR :D

Chris
 
#8 · (Edited)
You run into the nicest people here. I know Chris from Gunboards. Chris helped me immensely with information on my Valmet Finnish lion, information I could not have otherwise obtained anywhere. Chris is a class act.
I do not recall ever seeing a bolt TOZ with the modified PU scope.It's almost like a Mosin PU training rifle........... I can just see it on "Gunbroker" listed as..................................................................................."Real Russian Sniper training rifle, rare find, rare find, Used by Vassili Zaitsev his own self starting price only 4,999.99" :D
 
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#9 ·
Nice rifle.
Accuracy should be very good. The scope should be 2.5X20.
This rifle was issued to the professional hunters in Siberia. They didn't hunt squirrel for meat like here in US so, the eye shots were very common to save the pelts.
This particular specimen made in 1974, before the era of the pressed checkering and Bakelite butt plates.

Here is the year of manufacturing table for the TOZ guns:

Д - 1969
Е - 1968
Е - 1969
Е - 1970
К - 1971
М - 1972
Н - 1973
Р -1974
С -1975
Т -1976
И - 1977
Ф -1978
Х -1979, (1980?)
Я -1980
АА -1981
АБ -1982
АВ - 1983?

Cyrillic letter is usually the first letter of the serial number rolled onto the action, bolts have just the numbers. Mags are always marked with electric pencil.
 
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#15 ·
Fluency in the language helps a bit when one does the research :)

awo425 said:
BTW, this rifle was born in the same year as I.
Have enother one from that year, Valmet Suomen Leijona :D

mosbear, do you know, when TOZ stopped putting year stamps on their commercial weapons?
I have 1935 TOZ8 saw another one from that year and one from 1937 until now.

Chris
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I haven't dig deep enough to know the answer. Tula Arms Museum could be a good source for all things TOZ, but I am not sure if they have a contact for such inquiries.
 
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#14 ·
BTW, this rifle was born in the same year as I.
Have enother one from that year, Valmet Suomen Leijona :D

mosbear, do you know, when TOZ stopped putting year stamps on their commercial weapons?
I have 1935 TOZ8 saw another one from that year and one from 1937 until now.

Chris
 
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#16 ·
OK, was to the range today.
After some sightes at teh normal 50m target I put on teh 10m airrifle targets, the black is bout 1,25", a littel difficult so get constant aim with eh 2,5x scope, but not too bad, I think:


I had Russian in school for 8 years, but never have used it in real life so it is rusted away :-(

But I will try my luck with a mail in English anyway.

Chris
 
#17 ·
Ammunition and Scope Reticle

awo425 said:
OK, was to the range today.
After some sightes at teh normal 50m target
I put on teh 10m airrifle targets, the black is bout 1,25",
a littel difficult so get constant aim with eh 2,5x scope ....
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Could you describe the reticle in your scope?
What brand, grade and type of ammunition you fired?
Were you shooting off a bench?

The search for the ammunition your rifles likes best has begun.
 
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#18 ·
I have something better than a description, I have a scan of the manual for the scope :D(actually it is for the successor scope PO1M)
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But the post is actually much pointier than on the picture.

Shoting was done from bench, ammo was Schönebeck Standard Plus, reference ammo for all my other .22lr guns.
Will try other stuff too, but so far teh SK Standard Plus always came up among the best.
 
#19 ·
Gun Talks: TOZ-18

English Translation

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Subject: Toz 18 sniper.
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then re-single click open window
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Magazinny field small-bore rifle TOZ-18
TOZ-18 - pyatizaryadny fishing hook under ring bullet fire ignition 5.6 mm of lead bullet weighing 2.6 g with an optical sight doubling.
Designed for hunting small fur-bearing animals and birds.
Built in 1956-1957 on the basis of the carbine TOZ-17 by the same team of designers (Noskov GP Chuvahin VI, Ochnev VP),
differs from the presence of an optical sight, in addition to the usual open sight,
but Also barrel cylindrical shape without a faucet.
Equipped with a spare magazine.
Weight under 3 kg.
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Optical sight doubling placed only on the carbines modified TOZ-18 on a removable bracket (optional).
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Note: Machine Translation
 
#21 ·
ТОЗ-18 ... Toz-18

mosbear said:
please don't post those machine generated translations.
It's like a torture for me to read them :sad:
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Is this better? :D

ТОЗ-18 ... TOZ-18
ТОЗ-18 пятизарядный промысловый карабин под патрон кольцевого воспламенения калибра 5,6 мм

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Магазинный малокалиберный промысловый карабин ТОЗ-18
ТОЗ-18 - пятизарядный промысловый карабин под патрон кольцевого воспламенения калибра 5,6 мм со свинцовой пулей весом 2,6 г с оптическим прицелом двукратного увеличения. Предназначен для охоты на мелких пушных зверей и птиц.
Разработан в 1956-1957 годах на основе карабина ТОЗ-17 тем же коллективом конструкторов (Носков Г.П., Чувахин В.И., Очнев В.П.), отличается от него наличием оптический прицел в дополнение к обычному открытому прицелу, а также стволом цилиндрической формы без раструба. Снабжен запасным магазином. Вес до 3 кг.
В последнее время выпускалась почти одинаковая модель ТОЗ-18-01 тоже с оптическим прицелом.
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#24 ·
mosbears Translation: ТОЗ-18 ... TOZ-18

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Originally Posted by mosbear
I can translate the Russian articles if anyone needs my help, just shoot me a PM along with the link.
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TOZ-18 - Five round hunting carbine,
chambered for the 5.6mm rimfire cartridge.

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Small bore hunting carbine TOZ-18

TOZ-18 - five round hunting carbine, chambered for the 5.6mm rimfire cartridge with 2.6g led bullet,
and equipped with the 2X optical sight.
Intended use is for hunting small fur bearing animals and birds.
Designed in 1956-1957 by the same team who designed the TOZ-17 (Noskov G.P.,Choovahin B.I.,Ochnev V.P.).
Design is based on TOZ-17 model.
TOZ-18 is supplied with the optical sight in addition to the iron sights, an extra 5 round magazine,
and differs from its predecessor by the bell-shaped muzzle end of the barrel.
Weight is around 3 kilo.
The current production model is TOZ-18-01, which is very similar, and also supplied with optical sight.
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Translation Courtesy of mosbear
 
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#25 ·
New to Rimfirecentral - TOZ 18 info

Greetings all,

I am new to Rimfirecentral. I found it while looking for TOZ 18 information. I need a magazine for a TOZ 18. Where can I purchase one or more. The receiver is drilled and tapped for a scope mount. From your information, I see the TOZ 18 has a special M91/30 like mount and scope. Where can I find these?

In the owner's manual, I saw a scope mount and scope that mounted in the receiver grooves. Any information on these or where to purchase?

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from all of you.

Sincerely,

Mike Kelly
 
#26 ·
Russian Scope Mounts ... Kalinka Optics Warehouse

Mike Kelly said:
I need a magazine for a TOZ 18. Where can I purchase one or more.
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Looking for Magazines ... For TOZ-18 - Candyman

Looking for Magazines ... For TOZ-17 - Candyman

Mike Kelly said:
... I see the TOZ 18 has a special M91/30 like mount and scope.
Where can I find these?

In the owner's manual, I saw a scope mount and scope that mounted in the receiver grooves.
Any information on these or where to purchase?
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I don't know of any American source for a scope mount on the side of the receiver.

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I'd also post your question at the Kalinka Optics Warehouse Forum.
Kalinka may have an answer for you.
 
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#27 ·
TOZ 18 Mag Follow-up and Thanks

Thanks AOM 22,

I appreciate the prompt response and suggestions. To date, Hoosier Gun Works is out of TOZ 17 & 18 magazines. I have an inquiry into Mountain Guns.

RE: Scope and mounts. It appears that Kalinka Optics Warehouse has these and I am verifying.

Again, thanks. I see that many, e.g., Candyman, have been down these paths before me. Hopefully, I can return the favors in the future.

Sincerely,

Mike Kelly
 
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