I don't need to carry but how I have it at home is a mag full of cci stinger's in my holster with safety on and hammer de-cocked, for home I prefer my 12 gauge Remmy 870, but if I were to carry the P22, it would be with a full mag, chamber empty and safety off, ready to be chambered with a round, that's just me

Juan

 

Thanks,this is what I will do.

 

I have the same holster as you do, I think - an Uncle Mike's "Sidekick" size #1. Nice little holster that does the job though I favor a strong side (right handed in my case) behind the hip inside the pants carry.

My P-22 is kept safety OFF, live round in the chamber, hammer down. First shot would be double action. I practice all my drills the way I carry - i.e., first shot is double action with subsequent shots SA.

In the past I routinely carried a worked over Colt Combat Commander .45ACP in a Bianchi Skorpion shoulder rig offset with 2 extra mags (with 24# triple wound recoil springs, Wilson full length recoil spring guide and a Wilson shock buffer loaded with very high velocity 200 gr. Speer hollow points built out of cut down .308 rifle brass.)

I always carried in "Condition One" - one up the spout, 7 in the magazine, cocked & locked. With the P-22 being double action, I don't see any reason to rely of a safety at all. Carrying the P-22 hammer down on a live round gives you eleven rounds without having to modify the magazine - which I think is an iffy thing to do. Buy a little magazine pouch and carry an extra full magazine if you require having the extra psychological edge that another 10 rounds will give you.

The likelihood of a non-LEO ever needing more than eleven rounds in a truly defensive situation is minuscule. If you have to shoot, shove the muzzle up the guy's nose and pull the trigger until your gun is empty. Expect a mess but the guy will NOT be able to testify in front of some liberal judge that he was just gonna ask you for your spare change & that you maimed him for life, thereby making it difficult for him to attend church on a regular basis anymore.

The P-22 is capable of keep all eleven rounds inside a standard playing card at 15 yards, rapid fire - though I also practice at distances measured in feet since statistically most defensive situations occur at such short distances that the 2 combatants can actually touch each other. (7 feet or less)

Previous I posted this in another thread...

As a life long believer in the concept that the "only" adequate defense pistol is always .45ACP, as an essentially retired critical care & ER RN I've got to mention that the vast majority of fatal gunshots in the United States are caused by .22 caliber weapons. Hence my personal belief that a P-22 represents a pretty decent compromise between carrying big iron & something that's perhaps more convenient and something you will always grab on the way out the door.

Of course, ANY handgun represents a vast improvement in a defensive situation than say, waving your "stick" - or something that rhymes with "stick" - at the guy you are defending yourself against!

It's one of the reasons I practice filling standard playing cards full of holes in rapid fire drills. A standard playing card fills approximately the same space as a triangle formed using the eyes and nose of an adult person. I'm pretty sure (in fact I am absolutely certain, based on ER experience) that eleven .22 caliber bullets delivered to that area of someone's face will ruin his whole day!

 

In the past I routinely carried a worked over Colt Combat Commander .45ACP in a Bianchi Skorpion shoulder rig offset with 2 extra mags (with 24# triple wound recoil springs, Wilson full length recoil spring guide and a Wilson shock buffer loaded with very high velocity 200 gr. Speer hollow points built out of cut down .308 rifle brass.)

what velocity?

i load 45 Super for my HK USP Tactical. i shoot 185 grain Speer Gold Dots at 1280fps. talk about a SMOKING 45 load, that thing is a CANNON.
673 FT/LBS tops standard 357 magnum and 10mm auto loads with a .451 bullet.

ive thought about loading some of the 200g Gold Dots up to 1200fps. the 200s seem to be the perfect medium between the lightweight and heavy bullets for 45 auto.

 

I hope your not carrying it as a primary...

Keep in mind that the following is merely one man's opinion, and that others opinions will follow.

I think that any gun you keep in the house should be loaded and ready. That said, I do not think that carrying the p22 as a primary defense weapon is the smartest decision unless, it is your only choice. A good backup gun it might be if it has proven itself to be 100% reliable. Your choice of calibre for your primary and backup weapons should be researched and thought about very seriously.

There is a lot of information on the internet about this. I am asking you to please reconsider carrying this fine range machine as a defense piece. And as for practicing rapid fire playing card destruction, That is a good drill, but hardly in my opinion anything near the same as shooting a bad guy in the face in a high stress defense situation where your blood pressure is up and the adrenaline is flowing like mad. COM shots are the way to go when defending your life, even with a small rimfire. I have personally seen a large man shot in the chest with a 22 while he was psyched up. He hit the ground really fast and the fight left him even faster.

At this point I will remind everyone that the above was merely MY opinion. There are many other opinions out there. some like mine, some completely different than mine, but this one is mine and I shall keep it!:bthumb:

Best wishes to All!

 

i have been a first responder and also agree the majority of shot wounds are .22. at least on the south side. the victims were not ambulatory(not able to walk). one that stands out was a shot in side/*** the .22 fractured the pelvic illiac crest ! that is some of the strongest thickest bone deposit, and the strongest of body structure next to the femur(big thigh bone).

this means nothin as life is a game of chance/ and odds

a backup if i could /would carry. it would be a PPKs in .380, or something that gives better odds.

mc

 

...the "only" adequate defense pistol is always .45ACP! Anything else beats carrying a stick, but only just.

 

Not to be sound snotty but then why do the cops that I know, carry .40 caliber while on duty?

 

Why carry a .45?

 

The primary reason that LEO's carry 9mm & .40 S&W is because they are considered more "politically correct" by the community at large and local district attorneys in particular.

In some jurisdictions, I am specifically thinking of parts of Montana & Washington State, the cops and sheriff's deputies carry .45 ACPs cocked & locked, as John Browning designed them to be carried. (OK, this is according to Jeff Cooper who could be considered to be somewhat prejudiced concerning .45s)

Anyway, most people don't like seeing their local cop carrying a "cocked" pistol, since they mostly don't know squat about guns in the first place and a cocked pistol seems unsafe to the average man in the street or it makes the cops look trigger happy. Both of these things are a public relations no no.

It took a long time for police departments, in general, to make the switch away from .38 special revolvers to auto-pistols and it has been somewhat of a public relations coup for them to get the public to accept the relatively innocuous appearing & underpowered 9mm Glocks that most police departments seem to favor.

However... most police officers and police departments know in their heart of hearts that the 9mm is marginal at best in a gunfight.

The FBI knows this for a fact ever since they lost a bunch of agents in Miami who were armed with 9mm pistols and went up against a group of bank robbers who had them outgunned every way from Sunday. (I got this information from the FBI agent in charge of small arms at Quantico back when I used to write for gun magazines.)

The upshot was that the FBI switched to the 10mm, which is a butt kicker. Unfortunately most FBI personnel are essentially lawyers who have to carry guns and most FBI agents felt that the gun was just too powerful and uncontrollable. Subsequently the FBI contracted for an underloaded or underpowered version of the 10mm. Same bullet diameter with a weaker powder charge & primer, loaded to a slower velocity.

A few years later S&W stepped up to the plate and introduced the S&W .40 which is essentially a really HOT 10mm in a short case loaded to +P 9mm velocities shooting a "standard" 170 grain flat nosed .41 caliber (10mm) bullet. to approximately the same muzzle velocities that the original FBI 10mm was loaded to.

This short 10mm (or .40 S&W) was immediately recognized as a fight stopper. I can remember when the Alameda County Sheriff's Department switched to the S&W .40 - I was working as an ER RN in the Alameda County (Oakland, California) "Gun & Knife Club" aka/ Highland General Hospital where we saw about 9 bad gunshot wounds a night - "bad" being defined as life threatening.

The Alameda County Mounties were often the first LEOs to respond to serious crimes in Oakland and were involved in a significant number of shootings at the time. This started to change after the bad guys started getting shot by deputies armed with S&W .40s since now when they went down, they had a tendency to stay down. Bad guys who had previously gotten only relatively minor wounds when shot by officers armed with 9mm pistols were now showing up in the ER DOA after being "wounded" when shot with a S&W .40.

I have literally seen guys have an arm ripped off above the elbow & die from blood loss after a single hit from a S&W .40.

Anyway... for whatever reason the S&W .40 & 9mm are more acceptable to the public at large than a cocked and locked Colt .45ACP - but the .45ACP stops fights better. (at least according to the late Mr. Cooper)

 

:Blasting_ I CARRY MINE THE SAME WAY ONE IN THE CHAMBER SAFTEY OFF AND DA READY WITH CCI STINGERS OR CCI QUIK SHOK

 

Perro, I still have doubt. Where is a single real-world situation where a P22 isn't enough, but another pistol is.

As far as people not liking that their local LEOs are running around "cocked and locked, less than one American in a hundred knows anything about pistols anyway, I'd have a hard time believing that people were up in arms seeing hammers back in pistols if they don't know what a hammer is.

As far as "under powered" glocks, where does the line get drawn where a gun is "under powered" for you, I could see a line where bullets would not be powerful enough if they didn't penetrate skin, or if they didn't kill people, but this isn't the case. No bullet from a carryable handgun has enough mechanical power to "stop" a person, so what is enough, and what makes not enough not enough.

The bank robbery you talked about had robbers with fully automatic assault rifles, the "out gunned" was because the police had pistols, not because of a 1mm difference in the diameter of what their bullets where and what they should have been.

As far as the ER examples, how does ripping your attacker's arm off deter him any more than just shooting him and having him go to the hospital? If we get into a "well he can't testify against you then" its no longer a "which gun" debate, but a "which mentality" debate.

As far as "going down and staying down" if you're shot center mass with a .22 or a 9mm or a .40 or a .45 you are going to fall and stay down. If you're shot in the arm with a .22 you're going to stop mugging someone, you probably won't be bleeding to death, but is the point of carrying a self-defense weapon self defense, or killing people?

Thanks for your great response, I want to make sure that everyone knows I am not arguing with you, but only discussing something. Any input from anyone can only increase your knowledge.

 

When I carry mine, I carry it with one in the chamber, hammer down and the safety off.
All popular pistol calibers are marginal at best in the one shot stop arena, the reason we carry handguns is their ability to be carried easily. If you know that you are going to a gun fight - grab a rifle or shotgun. A 9mm allows you to hit your intended target multiple times faster than a .45 and also allows you to have 17 rounds at your disposal instead of 7. That becomes a big advantage if you have multiple assailants. Many real deal operators still carry the 9mm and have no problem with it. Check to see how many world champion IDPA (combat) shooters shoot .45's.

 

I have 2 cut down followers that hold 14 in the mag but unless you are really good with a dremel and can take your time making them shoot 100% then I would leave them alone at 10 for self defense.also for self defense my girlfriend uses mini mag round nose and stingers.I go back and forth between the to because i cant decide which is better to shoot people with.good penetration or alot of energy withing 7 inchs.My dream bullet for the p22 in self defense would be a round nose 40 gr version of the velociter .sent cci a email but im not holding my breath.also she has it in a holster with 10 in the clip one in the pipe,safety off and hammer at half cocked.

 

so the guy who is superman with supergun, on muscle drugs, and meth amps? why cant he just pick the gun up with his other hand ? can he not pry it from his own dead fingers ? then keep the fight ? he could use his blown off arm to his advantage. pull the "trigger tendon" after bending the elbow around a corner.

roll the dice, bet on the energy of the mind. keep fresh that we are muscle and bone, all in a universe. anything can happen, usually at a bad time.

i heavily disagree with alot of the oppinion. except on 45's. maybe others have experiences like these.

my old mans .45', just pulling the trigger, used too hurt so bad when i was younger. or when i shot my uncles (had a bad *** IL farm) colt revolver for the first time and then got a huge back blast right in your face. i read some here like these. like mine. there is always better, but you can find better enough.

-perro your hi cal loco.

my old 440 4spd will whale on your imports. big time...or better enough !

 

I had a strange feeling that this was going to become one of these, well here is my 2 cents worth on defense caliber. In a real world defense situation, yes a 22 will kill.and or stop the attack. But maybe too slowly to make a differense. the fact is that larger diameter bullets make bigger holes, and bigger holes allow faster blood loss than little holes. With that said, If you have a drugged up bad guy attacking you, believe that he/she may not be feeling the pain, or fear that would come to a normal person if they were shot, so the only way to effectively and reliably stop the attack is to cause them enough blood loss to incapacitate them. And on a side note, my carry piese is a springfield xd .45 acp that holds 13 in the mag and 1 in the chamber.

 

A forum about rimfires is probably NOT the place to get into discussions about appropriate defense handguns but... that being said, here we are.

I've said this a few times already in one thread or another in one form or another. A .22 caliber handgun is better than no gun... and for a lot of people is probably a decent compromise between having a gun and having no gun.

No one is going to feel 8 feet tall & invincible because they're packing a P-22, which is a good thing because if you find yourself in a situation where you need to defend yourself you are likely to try and find some alternative other than shooting someone knowing that it's possible that all you are going to do is hurt the guy & maybe make him really mad.

As for "real" defensive handgun calibers. Any handgun is a compromise but really, having your arm ripped off by a 10mm (S&W .40) will kill you almost instantly. Stopping someone from doing further harm or posing a threat to life & limb is NOT a function of blood loss - generally speaking, stopping someone is best accomplished by more or less instantaneously disconnecting that person from his central nervous system. Which is why the best defensive move you can make when armed with a .22 handgun is to shove the muzzle up the dude's nostrils and pull the trigger until your gun is empty!

A .45 ACP will accomplish this at a somewhat greater distance & with fewer shots. Police officers are trained to shoot "center of mass" (COM) because there is a better chance of stopping someone from doing whatever it is they are intent on doing if you shoot them in the heart or lungs or through the brain. Multiple center body shots simply have a better chance of hitting someone in a really vital organ, which is more or less OK if you are carrying a real defensive handgun - you simply have to be a little more choosy about your target when you are carrying a less powerful handgun, like a .22.

Being shot "center of mass" does not guarantee someone going down, it simply increases the chance that he will do so. If you shoot someone "center of mass" with a .22 LR he probably will NOT go down even if you shoot him in the heart!

- Several years ago, in East Central Los Angeles we had two dudes run into the hospital ER entrance and then fall down. They had both been shot (classic double tap) through the heart TWICE by a citizen armed with a .22 autopistol that they had attempted to rob. Both of these guys ran almost a half mile after being shot through the heart! TWICE!

There are a couple of lessons here...

#1. if you can, RUN AWAY from a fight. In most states the laws require you to attempt to do so.

#2. if armed with a sub-caliber handgun, try for head shots... maybe you will only shoot his eyes out and he'll be blinded and won't be able to find you and then you can run away or maybe you'll get lucky and drop him by shooting his brain.

#3. ANY gun is better than No Gun! But... God is on the side of the guy with the biggest gun!

 

i get where your comming from. i would want the best odds for myself/loved ones. lets not forget the people that put themselves on the line to help others. give the goodguys whatever they want. 40's 45's 5o's.

a 22 is leathal boys and girls. it has fine point energy. this wil cause invasive bodily peneration. there are so many places for it to cause a stop. organs are held in place/divided by elastic sacks. all it takes is a small hole to eviserate the content underpressure. how about just nicking the aacending with anything . your tripple AAA'd buddy(acending aortic anyerism). instant no strenght and blood pressure could not sustain consciousness. unless you had taken a drug that disrupted the process of shock. then the vasoconstriction/dialation of smooth muscle could allow minutes of consciousness. this weakness is down the midline of your body.

what is the mechanism of injury behine the blown off arm instant stop? arterial bleed out from the major brachial ? nope , next..

then hydrogenic shock is what kills people. what is shock ? i cant explain. its why some panic and loose complete life sustaining ability, when they should NOT have died from their injuries either.

their is hydrostatic shock too explained loosly as a impact causng a ripple in your nervous system. a ripple of blood pressure hits your minds off switch. night night...

its odds , chance. anything can happen.

i was a medic for 2, 4 yr certs. active for 12. continung ed became a serious issue, and....

 

so how do you carry your pistols, I pretty much agree with everyone at this point when it comes to the effectiveness of different calibers. Shoot if I had a .45 though I would have to charge the guy if I shot a mugger, who can afford those BULLETS!

 

in a locked box to the range.


i if..i would do a lot of things...
can you really carry silenced/surppressed pistols in texas ? if you pay the appropraite taxes. if so, that is the freedom they must speak of.

if some dude that hardcore banked into Mcdonalds sportin that tackle. id drop my fillet o fish , and cut .

 

As Waksabi noted;

"...a 22 is lethal boys and girls, it has fine point energy. This will cause invasive bodily penetration."

- so will a sharpened stick. However more people are killed every year in the United States by .22 caliber long rifle bullets than any other caliber bullets or by sharpened sticks.

My point remains that carrying a .22 caliber handgun is better than no gun. But the .22 is NOT a stopper. If you shoot someone, and I am assuming that he richly deserves being shot, he may or may not eventually die... the problem lies in the fact that he may take a really long time to even realize that he's been shot or that he's fixin' to die. During the time between getting shot and the time he finally succumbs to his wound(s) he may be able to do you some grievous bodily harm!

The mechanism of death from a .22 caliber gunshot wound is usually some occult injury like a nicked major artery (abdominal aorta, renal, iliac or internal mammary artery) that wasn't picked up in the ER quickly enough and the guy bleeds out internally. Failing that, it's massive sepsis (infection) through fecal contamination of the abdominal cavity (peritonitis). This is not quick.

Seldom does a guy show up in an ER dead from a .22 caliber GSW unless he was shot through the heart or brain!

As for how to carry. Probably the best answer for this is twofold. Carry a concealed handgun in such a way that will always conceal your gun from the casual or even trained observer. (Especially important if you don't have a CCP.) AND carry your gun where you can get at it more or less instantly and in such a way that it is comfortable for you.

No particular holster is right for everyone. In fact a holster may not be right for you. William Butler Hickock aka/ Wild Bill carried his pistols in a sash around his waist. I've often carried a Colt .45 ACP tucked inside my pants at the small of my back without a holster. I have used shoulder rigs & inside the pants rigs. Whatever holster you choose should accomplish a couple of things. It should conceal your pistol from casual or trained eyes, it should provide more or less instant access to your pistol and it should hold it securely in almost any foreseeable circumstance.

For my P-22 I sorta like the Uncle Mike's inside the belt "Sidekick" #1. I wear it inside my pants, clipped to my belt on my strong side (right hand side). The holster ius made from some sort of soft nylon fabric coated neoprene and has a very strong nylon-plastic belt clip. There is no thumb break.

Uncle Mike's Inside-the-Pants Holster, Size 1 cost $10.95​

Another holster I like, though it costs a bit more is the Bianchi Inside the Pants suede holsters with a thumb break.

Bianchi Model 6D ATB Waistband Holster $21.95​

Either of these can be worn in front of or behind the hip. Carrying behind the hip will conceal your pistol better and I find it to be a comfortable way to carry even a large handgun like a Colt .45 ACP.

You might want to check out the offerings at Executive Gunworks web site at Executive Gunworks - these guys have a pretty good selection of holsters at reasonable prices. Your local shop can probably get anything you see on the Executive Gunworks site.

 

I haven't read ALL the replies, but from the ones I did read I have to ask. Unless nothing else is legal to buy/carry, do yall really think carrying a P22 is a good idea??

And to answer both questions now...

1) Would I like to be hit with one?

No

2) Would I rather have it as opposed to a sharp stick?

Yes

Thanks!

-Emt1581

 

Like what waksabi said, the P22 should only be carried in a guncase to the range. It is a plinking gun. It is a training pistol and not a personal defense weapon. It was never designed(I hope) to be that way. The best weapon you have is the one between your ears. It is always better to run away from danger (if possible). There is no shame in being a coward than a dead hero. May I suggest AT LEAST a .380? If you're tight on the budget, I'd recommend a KEL-TEC .380 minimum. The used ones sell for as little as $180! You may not even need an IWB holster for it. You can just put it in your pocket. Now if you must shoot, aim for the head and shoot more than once. :AR15firin

 

Perhaps I wasn't clear... I'll reiterate.

My comments are generally directed toward those who already own a P-22 and intend on carrying it or for whatever reason need to depend on it as a defense handgun of last resort.

#1. if you can, RUN AWAY from a fight. In most states the laws require you to attempt to do so.

#2. if armed with a sub-caliber handgun, try for head shots... maybe you will only shoot his eyes out and he'll be blinded and won't be able to find you and then you can run away or maybe you'll get lucky and drop him by shooting his brain.

#3. ANY gun is better than No Gun! But... God is on the side of the guy with the biggest gun!

 

Mostly I carry a tricked out Colt Combat Commander .45 ACP with a loaded round in the chamber, cocked & locked. My carry magazines are loaded with HOT handloads built up on cut down .308 rifle brass, loaded with 200 grain Speer Jacketed Hollow Points aka/ "Flying Ashtrays" that clock in the vicinity of 1200 fps. They are reasonably accurate and will penetrate BOTH sides of a full refrigerator (front to back or side to side). I have dropped elk with one shot from this pistol!

But sometimes I actually grab my P-22 on the way out the door. It's small, it's convenient and it's there.

 

for healthy discussion...

"some occult injury like a nicked major artery (abdominal aorta, renal, iliac or internal mammary artery) that wasn't picked up in the ER quickly enough and the guy bleeds out internally. Failing that, it's massive sepsis (infection) through fecal contamination of the abdominal cavity (peritonitis). This is not quick."-you said

i think theres so much you have missed. there are things that can happen to you to make a normally healthy person not have the strenghth to continue fighting. if a pilot had a redout and couldnt bring the blood back to the reaches of his brain, he would not be fighting.. this happens to other people too after their pulse is only palpable at whatever. theres' no pressure at rest cause there is not enough volumn to fill the vessel.

liver is the largest organ(next to my penis) and contains the most blood(...). sepsis ? sepsis(im not going to recognize epsis as emergency combat managment) ? wth, an evisseration, or percardial tamponade, how about an easy plueral decompression and filling edema, vulnerable anywhere accross your upper half surrounding your lungs and diaphram. back or front. with each breath the pleural space (between the lungs and ribs there's a lining the pluera) fills with blood and you can take smaller and smaller breaths....whatever, right... yes, even a sharpened stick can do this. no occult, happens more than you know. appearently to me people can do it from many yards with a .22. anatony talk over, unless you want to pm me maybe some trauma thoery changed. used to be BTLS/ACLS..

if they did not want to try to save themselves, your right the .45 gets it done. never talked to one of those.

 

for healthy discussion...

"some occult injury like a nicked major artery (abdominal aorta, renal, iliac or internal mammary artery) that wasn't picked up in the ER quickly enough and the guy bleeds out internally. Failing that, it's massive sepsis (infection) through fecal contamination of the abdominal cavity (peritonitis). This is not quick."-you said

i think theres so much you have missed. there are things that can happen to you to make a normally healthy person not have the strenghth to continue fighting. if a pilot had a redout and couldnt bring the blood back to the reaches of his brain, he would not be fighting.. this happens to other people too after their pulse is only palpable at whatever. theres' no pressure at rest cause there is not enough volumn to fill the vessel.

liver is the largest organ(next to my penis) and contains the most blood(...). sepsis ? sepsis ? wth, an evisseration, or percardial tamponade, how about an easy plueral decompression and filling edema, vulnerable anywhere accross your upper half surrounding your lungs and diaphram. back or front. with each breath the space fills with blood and you can take smaller and smaller breaths....whatever right... yes even a sharpened stick can do this. no occult, happens more than you know.

if they did not want to try to save themselves, your right the .45 gets it done. never talked to one of those

You sort of lost me with the blood n guts comments in how they relate to the .22lr for defense...? Perhaps you were implying that there are many vulnerability points on a human that a .22lr would do some dammage to? You're definitly correct. Two or three .22lr rounds zipping through your organs will pretty much kill anyone...eventually. One headshot SHOULD be an instantaneous death because typically the bullet enters, then bounces around the skull richocheting from side to side which almost shreds/liquifies the brain.

Having said that, most of the ".45acp is the ONLY way to go!" (BS in my opinion) has SOME credibility to it. Usually the larger calibers have wonderful defense rounds made from them. A .22lr which isn't geared toward defense, has very few rounds made for defensive carry.

As was mentioned, buying a .380 or larger caliber SHOULD be the bare minimum for carry. Expanding hollowpoints that mushroom, fragment, etc are much more plentiful and argueably more effective.

For example, where a .22lr mini-mag might enter the body and put a .5" hole, when expanded, in a vital organ...a 9mm Ranger will enter, flower/expand and put a much larger hole in the organ/s making the bleedout and forced submission (due to death, unconsciousness, etc) time MUCH faster. In a self defense situation, the quicker it ends, the better.

Again, not sure where you were going, but yes a .22lr has a LOT of possibilities, but it's usually not a popular carry caliber among ccw'ers.

Thanks!

-Emt1581

 

a .2 cent combat pseudo-haiku

a .22 in hand beats a .44 at home every time.

don't bring anything that doesn't have a 4 in it to a gunfight.

safeties are oxymoronic I tend to think.

chambered-double action or unchambered is the way to go.

I'm a civilian, what do I know?

 

just carry whatever caliber "in-hand". holsters are for the unprepared.

semper vigilance & be prepared.

side-note: friend took a "unexpected" - sniped .22 below the ribs..thought he was stung by a bee at first....passed out and soon after and perished.